Margrid the Sly or Master of Whispers? - Guild Wars Forums

zerovashstyle8 · Jul 30, 2012, 04:23 AM // 04:23

I'm at the fork in the quest chain in nightfall. Which one is the least popular? Also do I have to join a party with another player to do the other missions or do I get access to the other later on?

Amy Awien · Jul 30, 2012, 05:55 AM // 05:55

You'll get the hero and access to their missions later on. I liked Magrid's quests and missions but a (second) Necromancer hero may be a better choice.

The choice between Magrid and Master of Whispers may be tied to the choice between Sosuke and Jinn earlier because after Jin Magrid is the only Ranger until Eye of the North and the ele heroes come in abundance and early in the game, so, for best 'completeness' of your heroes, Jin and Master of Whispers.

Mintha Syl · Jul 30, 2012, 07:47 AM // 07:47

I used to do Master of Whispers ones first, as Amy said the Necro hero is generally more useful than ranger one. However I find Magrid's quests much more pleasant and easy (I have some hate for Drazgonur's master) so with mercenaries and few use of storyline heros I'm always doing those now.
So it's all on needing the hero or not.

Relyk · Jul 30, 2012, 08:25 AM // 08:25

Margrid the Sly, Dzagonur Bastion is a really crappy mission to do.

Kamatsu · Jul 30, 2012, 08:58 AM // 08:58

Magrid leads to 2 easy missions, Master of Whispers leads to 1 easy and 1 hardish mission. Many people find Dzagonour Bastion a hard mission to do, especially if you want the bonus from it. Although to get Protector of Elona title you will have to do it.

You can get both hero's however - once you complete the last mission in the game you will get transported to an area where you will be able to acquire a quest from the hero's you missed, which will allow you to acquire every hero from Nightfall (apart from Razah).

In the end the basic choice is - do you need a Ranger or Necro hero before you end Nightfall? Then choose either one and don't fret about which missions are easier or harder - read the guides, hints & tips on both the official and unofficial wiki's. I used the necro minion mancer & rit healer/spirit's split party method to get the bonus on Dzagonur Bastion, so it's not that bad/hard (it's just tricker than the other mission you get going with Magrid).

dagrdagaz · Jul 30, 2012, 10:12 AM // 10:12

A necro hero is much better than a ranger hero.

Its my opinion, but i think ranger heroes (and ranger henchmen) are the worst.
Anything they can do, another class can do better.

Highlander Of Alba · Jul 30, 2012, 10:35 AM // 10:35

The choice is up to yourself but,

I would go for Jurah (Master of Whispers ) reason is you can utilise Master a l

lot more in builds .
At the last Mission in Elona you will be able to collect all the heros that you missed along the way. so no need to worry in that respect

zerovashstyle8 · Jul 30, 2012, 01:06 PM // 13:06

I'm not too concerned about getting the heroes I'm just wanting to do both missions for Protector of Elona. Wil I be able to do Dragonzurs later on?

Shana Something · Jul 30, 2012, 01:16 PM // 13:16

Zero, yes, you can do the other missions later after you finish Nightfall and get the other hero. Or you can do the missions with another player that has the hero you're missing.

Why? · Jul 30, 2012, 01:23 PM // 13:23

save Masters mission until after. The more options you have going into the bastion, the better. Even with the best build, positioning and awareness of what happens when makes the difference between masters and failing miserably.

Dar Drakor · Jul 31, 2012, 02:04 AM // 02:04

Masters first would be my suggestion. You can always latch onto a group to do Dzagonur Bastion.

zerovashstyle8 · Aug 01, 2012, 07:20 AM // 07:20

Ok now I have another question. How do I get my heroes to get other elite skills? I bought the skill packs and I still nee some elite skills. For example I need unyielding aura for dunkoro but I can't find the hero skill trainer that teaches It

dagrdagaz · Aug 01, 2012, 09:55 AM // 09:55

U cant get Elite skills from Skill trainers.

U have to capture them with a Signet of Capture.
A Signet of Capture can be bought from most Skill trainers
Equip the Signet of Capture, and go kill the Boss that has the Elite skill u want.
Then in close proximity to the corpse of the dead Boss, use the SoC and select the Elite from the list of skills the Boss used.
If its an Elite skill for a Secondary profession, make sure your secondary profession matches the profession from the Elite skill u want.
An Elite skill gotten this way is then available to that character and all heroes.

One other method is, is to gather Balthazar faction via PvP matches.
Then with enough Balthazar Faction u can get skills and Elite skills from a Priest of Balthazar.
Skills gotten this way can be used by alll heroes but not (yet) by your character.
Your character can learn these skills by using skill tomes (for normal skills) or elite tomes (for elite skills).

**Marty Silverblade** · Aug 01, 2012, 10:48 AM // 10:48

If you've got the skill unlock packs all the skills should already be unlocked and thus available for hero usage. You won't need to obtain them from anywhere. UA is a Divine Favor skill; perhaps you were looking in one of the other attributes.

Dar Drakor · Aug 01, 2012, 12:42 PM // 12:42

Yep...there are 4 different skill packs. Are you sure you bought all 4?

Jul 30, 2012, 04:23 AM // 04:23	#1
zerovashstyle8 Pre-Searing Cadet Join Date: Jul 2012 Profession: A/R	Margrid the Sly or Master of Whispers? I'm at the fork in the quest chain in nightfall. Which one is the least popular? Also do I have to join a party with another player to do the other missions or do I get access to the other later on?

Jul 30, 2012, 08:58 AM // 08:58	#5
Kamatsu Moderator Join Date: May 2005 Location: Australia	Magrid leads to 2 easy missions, Master of Whispers leads to 1 easy and 1 hardish mission. Many people find Dzagonour Bastion a hard mission to do, especially if you want the bonus from it. Although to get Protector of Elona title you will have to do it. You can get both hero's however - once you complete the last mission in the game you will get transported to an area where you will be able to acquire a quest from the hero's you missed, which will allow you to acquire every hero from Nightfall (apart from Razah). In the end the basic choice is - do you need a Ranger or Necro hero before you end Nightfall? Then choose either one and don't fret about which missions are easier or harder - read the guides, hints & tips on both the official and unofficial wiki's. I used the necro minion mancer & rit healer/spirit's split party method to get the bonus on Dzagonur Bastion, so it's not that bad/hard (it's just tricker than the other mission you get going with Magrid). __________________ Have a moderation related issue or just want to chat? Send me a PM

Aug 01, 2012, 09:55 AM // 09:55	#13
dagrdagaz Krytan Explorer Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: NL Profession: E/N	U cant get Elite skills from Skill trainers. U have to capture them with a Signet of Capture. A Signet of Capture can be bought from most Skill trainers Equip the Signet of Capture, and go kill the Boss that has the Elite skill u want. Then in close proximity to the corpse of the dead Boss, use the SoC and select the Elite from the list of skills the Boss used. If its an Elite skill for a Secondary profession, make sure your secondary profession matches the profession from the Elite skill u want. An Elite skill gotten this way is then available to that character and all heroes. One other method is, is to gather Balthazar faction via PvP matches. Then with enough Balthazar Faction u can get skills and Elite skills from a Priest of Balthazar. Skills gotten this way can be used by alll heroes but not (yet) by your character. Your character can learn these skills by using skill tomes (for normal skills) or elite tomes (for elite skills). Last edited by dagrdagaz; Aug 01, 2012 at 10:00 AM // 10:00..

Aug 01, 2012, 10:48 AM // 10:48	#14
Marty Silverblade Administrator Join Date: Jun 2006	If you've got the skill unlock packs all the skills should already be unlocked and thus available for hero usage. You won't need to obtain them from anywhere. UA is a Divine Favor skill; perhaps you were looking in one of the other attributes. __________________

Jul 30, 2012, 05:55 AM // 05:55	#2
Amy Awien Forge Runner Join Date: Jul 2006 Profession: R/	You'll get the hero and access to their missions later on. I liked Magrid's quests and missions but a (second) Necromancer hero may be a better choice. The choice between Magrid and Master of Whispers may be tied to the choice between Sosuke and Jinn earlier because after Jin Magrid is the only Ranger until Eye of the North and the ele heroes come in abundance and early in the game, so, for best 'completeness' of your heroes, Jin and Master of Whispers.

Jul 30, 2012, 07:47 AM // 07:47	#3
Mintha Syl Desert Nomad Join Date: Apr 2010	I used to do Master of Whispers ones first, as Amy said the Necro hero is generally more useful than ranger one. However I find Magrid's quests much more pleasant and easy (I have some hate for Drazgonur's master) so with mercenaries and few use of storyline heros I'm always doing those now. So it's all on needing the hero or not.

Jul 30, 2012, 08:25 AM // 08:25	#4
Relyk Lion's Arch Merchant Join Date: Feb 2008 Profession: W/	Margrid the Sly, Dzagonur Bastion is a really crappy mission to do.

Jul 30, 2012, 10:12 AM // 10:12	#6
dagrdagaz Krytan Explorer Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: NL Profession: E/N	A necro hero is much better than a ranger hero. Its my opinion, but i think ranger heroes (and ranger henchmen) are the worst. Anything they can do, another class can do better.

Jul 30, 2012, 10:35 AM // 10:35	#7
Highlander Of Alba Wilds Pathfinder Join Date: Jan 2007 Guild: Real Rogue Clan Profession: Rt/Mo	The choice is up to yourself but, I would go for Jurah (Master of Whispers ) reason is you can utilise Master a l lot more in builds . At the last Mission in Elona you will be able to collect all the heros that you missed along the way. so no need to worry in that respect

Jul 30, 2012, 01:06 PM // 13:06	#8
zerovashstyle8 Pre-Searing Cadet Join Date: Jul 2012 Profession: A/R	I'm not too concerned about getting the heroes I'm just wanting to do both missions for Protector of Elona. Wil I be able to do Dragonzurs later on?

Jul 30, 2012, 01:16 PM // 13:16	#9
Shana Something Academy Page Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: TEXAS! Guild: Fellowship of Greeters [FOG] Profession: Rt/	Zero, yes, you can do the other missions later after you finish Nightfall and get the other hero. Or you can do the missions with another player that has the hero you're missing.

Jul 30, 2012, 01:23 PM // 13:23	#10
Why? Frost Gate Guardian Join Date: Oct 2006 Guild: Society Of Souls [Argh] Profession: N/Me	save Masters mission until after. The more options you have going into the bastion, the better. Even with the best build, positioning and awareness of what happens when makes the difference between masters and failing miserably.

Jul 31, 2012, 02:04 AM // 02:04	#11
Dar Drakor Krytan Explorer Join Date: Aug 2008 Guild: Ancient Dragon Disciples [ADD] Profession: N/A	Masters first would be my suggestion. You can always latch onto a group to do Dzagonur Bastion.

Aug 01, 2012, 07:20 AM // 07:20	#12
zerovashstyle8 Pre-Searing Cadet Join Date: Jul 2012 Profession: A/R	Ok now I have another question. How do I get my heroes to get other elite skills? I bought the skill packs and I still nee some elite skills. For example I need unyielding aura for dunkoro but I can't find the hero skill trainer that teaches It

Aug 01, 2012, 12:42 PM // 12:42	#15
Dar Drakor Krytan Explorer Join Date: Aug 2008 Guild: Ancient Dragon Disciples [ADD] Profession: N/A	Yep...there are 4 different skill packs. Are you sure you bought all 4?